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Discussion in 'Ratings & Utilities' started by pawras, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:18 AM.

  1. pawras

    pawras Foal

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    Did anyone else out there utilize the free exchange data that was available at http://betfair.data.com ?

    The data gave you the second by second data for horse racing exchange markets.

    This service now seems to have been removed and you are redirected to a new page where you have to pay for data.
    In the help section there is a link to "free historical data" but that just takes you back to the front page for data which must be paid for.

    I'm currently trying to get an answer from betfair but obviously the first person I spoke to didn't have the slightest clue what I was talking about so I'm waiting to hear back from their supervisor.
     
  2. ARAZI91

    ARAZI91 Yearling

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  3. pawras

    pawras Foal

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    I have all the horseracing downloads from 2005-01-01 until 2017-09-03, but when I went to get the last few months worth to update my betfair db I discovered what I described above.

    I've ended up raising a ticket with the developer program, so I'll see what response I get back.

    The data underpins a rather nice what-if analysis dashboard I have which I've used to explore things such as laying off under xyz circumstances a runner I've previously backed.
     
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  4. ARAZI91

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    @pawras - misunderstood , no worries mate , thought you were actually looking for past data
     
  5. pawras

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    I've had comms with betfair developer program and apparently data.betfair.com being unavailable is an issue that they hope to have fixed by early next week.

    I looked at the new site Exchange Historical Data. The data supplied there has more fields per record and there is free data, but the free data is only by the minute and contains no volume info, to get it by second inc volume info it costs £99 per month of data.

    The data available free from data.betfair.com has volume info and is by the second but is less extensive than that they are supplying by the new site, at a price for anything really worthwhile.
     
  6. Professor Punting

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    Seemingly lots of people have been getting letters from Betfair. They insist that they are casual punters/ irregular users, seems they are cracking down big time.

    The most rancid betting company out there. Their bots creaming off every bet, regular big players and small players confirming that their bets are being jumped through individual monitoring.

    Haven't used them in months, I'm solely a backer, don't trade or put in lays to cover stake, I use Fairbot set at the lowest refresh price rate .2 of a sec, can imagine that a letter will be forthcoming if I was to use them regularly.

    Lots of instances of hundreds £ sitting there to back, would go in for say 40 @ 5.6 to be given 8 with the rest unmatched. Their bots rule, peer to peer a distant memory.

    Hello
    With regret, we have restricted your Betfair account with a delay to Exchange market data (odds and volumes). The restriction is in accordance with our Terms and Conditions; in particular the intellectual property clauses with reference to Betfair data. For further information, view our T&C’s at Betfair. The relevant terms are highlighted below.
    Your data usage profile represents that of a commercial user. Note that usage of Betfair Exchange market data by any user in a commercial context requires a data licence. Betfair offers a commercial data licensing scheme, details of which can be found at The Beginner's Guide to Betfair Developer Tools.

    Should you wish to consume data for testing and or analysis, please use delayed data as applied to your account or the historical data services - Exchange Historical Data.
    ‘6. Cancellation, Termination, Suspension and Breach
    We may restrict your access to Betfair, suspend or terminate your account, withdraw your offers for bets, void any bets outstanding to your account, cancel any unmatched bets or cancel and void any outstanding or matched bets in our absolute discretion without cause at any time including if:

    v: ... your account’s ‘public market data’ usage (‘public market data’ includes market prices, traded Volumes and market depth) could represent ‘business usage’ (‘business usage’ includes any use by a betting operator or any use by an individual or organisation supplying data or services to a betting operator)’
    Kind Regards
    Betfair Limited | Winslow Road | Hammersmith Embankment | London | W6 9HP.
    Registered in England and Wales under company number 5140986.
     
  7. pawras

    pawras Foal

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    I haven't used a ladder program or bot for a couple of years but was intending to do so again starting next year. But what you've said doesn't bode well :-(

    I would have thought there would eventually be a tipping point due to their behaviour? Has there been any noticeable increase in market share by Betdaq, Smarkets or Matchbook?

    I've read that Pinnacle Sports may be getting a license in the UK again, that could prove interesting if they take bets on UK/IRE horse racing.
     
  8. Professor Punting

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    Hi Pawras, they're all the same, their bots cream first. Why do think that bookies were falling over themselves to buy the exchanges. Smarkets had the case last year where a punter (also other punters, this punter had 15k of 35k I think were the sums involved, it's on the net) placed a bet which was obviously a bot error, the bet won and credited to his account. Within seconds it was voided, he got multiple different excuses each time he shot down an excuse, turned out it was their (Smarkets) own money. They even changed their rules and relied on the excuse that the layers account was hacked so there was no way they could pay out, despite their rule Number one being that everybody was responsible for their account security with no comeback for anyone alleging their account was hacked. They paid up in the end, the punter issued legal proceedings but it didn't reach court as far as I'm aware. Smarkets have even banned winners, mainly shrewd backers, because again, it's their money you're winning. They don't allow 3rd party bots, with the exception of large seeding traders self written bots. Price refresh has to be done manually. It's easy money, site bot a risk free cream off, except when they fluck up, as above.

    Betdaq the same, their bot rules also regular backers/winners soon get the email, You are winning too much, if you want to continue using our site, you will be on this upwardly reviewable fixed rate of commission (starting at 10% and all rates up but nowhere to be found in their T&C) except for on course Bookies who after Lads themselves are the biggest seeders.

    Matchbook gave me a headache, when trying to read their T&C's with the charges if you don't reach this amount or suchlike.

    Betfair welcome winners, as long as you don't try place a bet on their sportsbook, why wouldn't they, when they take up to 60% of your winnings and that's after their bot has had a nibble when you placed the bet.

    Amazingly, after all these years, there are still people that believe Betfair as to why the premium charge was introduced. It was introduced because the High Street/Online bookies weren't willing to take bets anymore, because they had risk free FOBT and Casino games income and Betfair had a captive audience and they were the only show in town.

    Even Blacktype bookies are closing down accounts, despite their assurances that they would lay to lose 500, seems they are only closing down "arbers" despite them always being worst price out there.

    That Pinnacle rumour has been going on awhile, I hope it happens, I don't ever bet on other sports but they seem to be held in high regard by their customers.

    Having said all that, if you're a small time/stakes punter the exchanges will suffice but whatever you do, don't get too big for your boots.
     
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