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Follow The Winners

This is an idea that can really pay dividends with some exceptional winners throughout the season and one that you can start using anytime throughout the year.

What you are looking for are horses that have won recently or in the current season proving that they have at least shown some sort of form and have a better chance than some of winning again.

There are two ways that you can use this method and the first is the simplest of the two.

Method 1

Firstly you need to check the days race cards looking at just handicap races for 3YO+ and 4YO+ and look for any horse that has won a race in it's last four runs but not last time out. Ideally you want a horse that won either it's fourth last race or it's third last race.

Next you want to check that the horse is forecast at 10/1 or bigger in the betting forecast and if it is then you have a possible bet. From here, a little bit of form reading is required, however with the amount of data easily available on the internet these days with sites such as http://www.sportinglife.com and http://www.racingpost.co.uk it is not a difficult task at all.

As we are betting in a handicap race, we want to make sure that the horses earlier win was in a handicap, or that it has previously won a handicap race so it should already have a winning handicap mark or official rating. A horse that just won a seller or a maiden race for example cannot be guaranteed to run well in a handicap as the weights and terms of each race type can differ quite a lot.

Without making it too difficult to find a bet I would suggest only that the horse has decent enough form on the predicted going of today's race and that the horse is not running too much further or shorter in distance than its previous win or than it has won at in the past. So, say a furlong or two maximum difference on the flat and maybe 4 furlongs over the jumps would be acceptable. If you can see that the horse has course and or distance winning form already then this will be an extra positive, just check the going is ok for the horse.

If the horse has won on Good ground before, I would suggest that Good to Firm or even Good to Soft would be ok, a win on Good to Firm would be ok if running now on Firm or Good and a previous win on Soft would be ok if now running on Good to Soft or even Heavy but it may be best to see previous form on Heavy going to be sure as this can be difficult conditions for many horses who have even won on Soft going before. This decision will be up to you but the going is one of the most important form factors and is one of the main reasons why many fancied horses don't run as expected.

If you feel that the going and the distance are ok then one final check is required before placing your bet and that is that the horse is not too high in the weights from its previous win to the mark that it is now running on. Personally I think that if the horse is 4lb's higher than its last win or less, then this is ideal however, in some races you will have the only horse that has won a race in its last four or five races and on these occasions I am happy to back the horse even if it is 6 or 7lb's higher than it's last win as this winning form compared to it's rivals can be worth 2 or 3lb's in my mind anyway.

The Racing Post and Sporting Life web sites show previous winning official ratings and today's official rating, (the handicap mark), as OR or BHA.

When looking at races over the jumps, you will find horses are given much more weight for a win so you will find that many runners are still 10lb's or more higher than their last win. This is too much for me so I will always try and bet them when only up to 7lb's higher and is why most bets for me using this method are on the flat.

Having said that my last bet was three days before writing this article on 24th July and was a winner at 20/1 (BSP 40.0). The horse was Ironical running at Stratford and was forecast at 16/1, the outsider of 7. His last win was off a handicap mark of 95 and was today running off the same handicap mark. The previous win three runs ago was over two miles and four furlongs and this race was over two miles, six and a half furlongs. The previous week I also backed Classic Punch at 14/1 (just 1lb higher than a win three runs ago and already won at the distance and on the going).

I have to admit I was not too confident about Ironical, although carrying bottom weight and on the same mark as its last handicap win, maybe I should have been, however I loved the profile of Classic Punch as only three other runners had recent winning form and one of them was running after a very long lay off, plus the horse was also being ridden by top Jockey Paul Hanagan and was joint top rated on Racing Post ratings. In a nine runner field and at the price I got (20.0 on Betfair), this was to me the perfect each way bet.

This is a simple method which only requires looking at the racing on the day to find any qualifiers and while I suggest you don't back everything blind even if you may have a qualifier, let your instinct guide you little as to the profile of a horse and of the race, I do recomend that you get at least 10/1 on your selections to cover any losing bets and also that you watch how many runners there are in a race too. I don't think you want to be looking at races with more than fourteen runners, ideally no more than twelve.

Wait for the ones with a real chance, each way in smallish fields at a decent price and I am sure you will back quite a few like those above throughout the year.

***Stop Press*** ***Stop Press*** ***Stop Press***

4.30 Catterick yesterday. Almaty Express Won 22/1. (BSP 30.0)

Won 4 races ago, now with a handicap mark of 46 having won before off 52. Despite most of his wins being on the all weather, this horse has won twice on turf before and the ground was Good to Firm for both it's win and the same yesterday. The horse was a course and distance winner and was the only runner in the race of just twelve runners to have won in it's last six races. Again, an ideal each way betting opportunity.



Method 2

The second way of betting on these horses requires a little record keeping but can be very worthwhile in the long run. For this method I suggest waiting until after May for the flat turf season, after November for the jump turf season and after December for the flat all weather season for best results.

Firstly, check out all of the previous days results, looking for all hanicap races for 3YO+ or 4YO+ and write down all the horses that won by under one length. Also write down the distance of the race, the going and the course, with its main characteristics if you can, (left handed, tight track, stiff uphill finish etc.) Now you either neeed to look in the index of the days runners every day to see if any of your horses are running or use one of the 'Horse Tracker' services that will email you when one of your noted horses is running such as the My Stable function on http://www.sportinglife.com

You will want to keep a written record for each horse as well to track it's runs, either in a note pad or in a document on your computer.

When you have a horse that is running next time out after winning, make a note of the fact but don’t back them this time as the odds are likely to be short enough but when it runs for a second time after winning, check all the conditions of the race and if the distance and going are the same as the previous win and the course is deemed suitable, then back the horse with half a unit stake.

If the horse loses then double the stake each time for the horses next four runs, making sure that all the conditions suit each time. If the horse wins any of these four races then start again by ignoring it's next run and backing it in the next four again where conditions suit.

This method ensures that at least you are backing a horse who has recently won a race and knows how to win and there are a lot of these horses who win at double figure prices, more than once or twice in a season.

By backing the ones who only won by a small distance, should ensure that the horse is a fighter who can grind out a result in a tightish finish and that also won't be given too much extra weight for winning in it's next run(s). (If you wish to ignore this part of the method you can, or make up your own idea about the winning distances).

Following the horse for only four races before stopping puts a limit on the amount of money you could lose if the horse fails to repeat its success but each time the horse loses it is likely that the odds on it next time out will increase as it gets further away from its last success and it races against more supposedly in form animals, who will be put in at the shorter prices.

An excellent example of a horse that keeps on winning is Lord Of The Dance running this season (2013). He first won on March 25th, then on his fourth race after this win won again at 20/1. Four races after this win he won again at 16/1 and amazingly then won again just two races later at 25/1!

Quite how he was allowed to go off at these prices, especially for the third and fourth wins goodness knows. He was obviously given more weight each time but this is a horse that was improving, in form and unlike many other horses, loved winning. Horses like Lord Of The Dance are well worth noting as are many more using this Follow The Winners method.
 
Thanks for posting Stags.
When copying and pasting from other sites could you please add a line saying where you got the article from, its only fair to acknowledge the original author.

AR
 
The forum rules are straightforward and simple.

1. No Promoting of Services/Tipsters
2. See Rule 1 above

must have got the forum rules wrong then. :lol:
above from :
profits from the turf.

all the best stags.
 
email today from above.
Today's daily each way double.

2.10 Newcastle Lily Rules
4.00 Pontefract Comptonspirit


Today's short priced lay. (Max price of 4.5 BSP)
4.50 Brighton Lady Barastar

Today's ratings
2.40 Newcastle

Key Gold 65
Harveys Hope 59
Moheeb 57
Attention Seeker 56
Lochiel 54

3.30 Pontefract

Kiama Bay 89
Sirvino 86
Muharrer 84
Rios Roanna 83
Noble Silk 80

3.40 Newcastle

George Fenton 59
Alluring Star 57
Monakova 56
Burren View Lady 55
Deliberation 53

3.50 Yarmouth

Lunar Deity 74
Bank On Me 73
Exceedexpectations 72
Decent Fella 71
Enricjing 70

4.30 Pontefract

The Osteopath 79
Steel Stockholder 77
Staff Sergeant 76
Junket 75
Paramour 75



System Test Selections

Lay system test 1. Max BSP price is 4.5

4.50 Brighton Lady Barastar Handicap 10 8 14
6.20 Yarmouth Absent Amy Handicap 12 8 16
 
stags said:
The forum rules are straightforward and simple.

1. No Promoting of Services/Tipsters
2. See Rule 1 above

must have got the forum rules wrong then. :lol:
above from :
profits from the turf.

all the best stags.

I see where you are coming from, but the thread is entitled informative free articles so I assumed that no membeship payments are required to get access and therefore do not see it that you are advertising a paid for service/tipster.
 
look for any horse that has won a race in it's last four runs but not last time out. Ideally you want a horse that won either it's fourth last race or it's third last race.
pingman did same as me when i 1st first seen this on monday.
mon 5 aug
8.30 windsor class 5 race- chocolate block won @ 16/1
 
from betting school I've just been re-reading Carl Nicholsons Value Backing book and I stumbled across a micro system that might be worth following.

Here's what Carl says...

"At the lesser meetings look out for jockeys with good percentages and a plus figure in their win loss column from rides at the track.

A great example of this is Franny Norton at Chester. He might not be the biggest house hold name as far as jockeys are concerned, but he has been around for a while and no one rides Chester as good as he does."

I just read that and thought I'd better check it out, so I fired up Horse Race Base and the stats for Franny Norton at Chester are...

Runs = 430
Wins = 64
Strike Rate = 14.88%
Profit = 32.87
Return on Investment = 7.64%

Not a huge profit I know, but it might help you to find one of those huge priced winners that Carl is famous for.

from me
anyone got the rules for american connection micro-system.(lost them when pc went down)
but me thinks
southwell only
usa at the end of the horse name
age of horse 4 or under
 
Serpentine said:
Rules are spot on, except that they're for the A/W track
thanks serpentine and what i seen only for southwell


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To put it simply there ARE Betfair Trading systems that work, however, I think some people seem to have a different definition of just what a “system” is meant to do.

I get the impression that some will buy a betting Trading system and then just expect that they can follow the system and have an instant license to start printing money, however using a system isn’t quite like that. There is no system that is on sale that you can use and just simply make money without thinking.

No matter what the Trading system is, it still takes hard work, discipline and research to make it work. Many people simply aren’t willing to do that and these are the people that will never make money from trading.

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from me:
if you copy and paste the Welcome To Free Betfair Trading Systems it should take you there.
this is a football trading blog. one system I like but needs to be improved you lot hate this one but lets see how you lot could improve it.
think he means lay over.
Wednesday, 6 February 2013
The Perfect Betfair Trading System
This is one of the best Betfair trading systems around, and not many people know about it...

Lay goals with a Buffer, it goes like this

Lay Under 1.5 Goals for a £10 stake (or your stake £2 to begin with)
After one goal then lay Under 2.5 Goals for your £10 stake + the liability for the first bet.
If another goal is scored lay Under 3.5 Goals for £10 stake + all the previous liability's.
And so on
The plan is to get out green before 80 mins, or lay your green late (85th min mark) for higher profit if a goals is scored.
Stick to games with 8.5 goals markets.
It should wotk like this,

Lay Under 1.5 for odds of 1.35. Stake - £10. Liability - £3.60. Potential P/L - £9.55

Goal Scored.

Lay Under 2.5 for odds 2.16. Stake - £13.60. Liability - £15.78. Potential P/L - £9.55

Goal Scored.

Lay Under 3.5 for odds 3.7. Stake - £27.20 Liability - £73.44. Potential P/L - £9.55

Keep doing this until it is around the 87th Minute. or green earlier if no goals are scored


take a game that finished 0-2 the weekend

We lost our first bet so

-£4.80

Our Lay Over 2.5 Goals won so

+14.80

Our Lay Over 3.5 Goals won so

+22.79

Our Lay correct score bet lost so

-5.16

Total profit = £27.63

try it with small stakes, let me know how you get on
 
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Anonymous6 February 2013 14:26
this is confusing one minute you say lay under 2.5 after 1st goal scored, then in the example it is lay over 2.5 (in the weekend game), can you clarify this, I assume you are laying under 1.5 then backing under 2.5,3.5, 4.5 etc

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TraderMax7 February 2013 09:45
yes the 2.5 lay would be after the 1st goal... you lay always...

take tonights kiev game

lay 1.5 goals @1.24 for £2 wich gives us a 0.12p liability...
a goal goes in then we lay 2.5goals for the £2 we want to make and the 0.12 we will lose in the 1.5 market... so lay 2.5 for £2.12p?

any better?

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Anonymous9 February 2013 05:50
Thank thats clearer, it should say Lay over x goals at the top not lay under, that why i was confused (in this bit below, it implys you want these goals to be scored where you actually dont)


Stick to games with 8.5 goals markets.
It should wotk like this,

Lay Under 1.5 for odds of 1.35. Stake - £10. Liability - £3.60. Potential P/L - £9.55

Goal Scored.

Lay Under 2.5 for odds 2.16. Stake - £13.60. Liability - £15.78. Potential P/L - £9.55

Goal Scored.

Lay Under 3.5 for odds 3.7. Stake - £27.20 Liability - £73.44. Potential P/L - £9.55

Keep doing this until it is around the 87th Minute. or green earlier if no goals are scored



Thanks JJ

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Philip Taylor10 February 2013 06:17
Hi
seems a reasonable strategy but couple of questions if that's ok
do you have any match selection criteria or any match as long as in play and 8.5 over/under
when do you advise taking a profit as you can usually make ten percent profit of stake after about ten or fifteen minutes if no goal scored
thanks
Phil

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Anonymous5 June 2013 05:44
hi do you have any staking plans for this if you lose or if you win?

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TraderMax5 June 2013 12:48
i try to stick between 2 & 5%

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Anonymous9 June 2013 08:08
Hi there,
I find this system very interesting but I checked the comments and still can't understand if you always "Lay Under" or always "lay Over".

If you "lay under 1.5" it means that in order to be profitable you need at least 2 goals scored in a match, correct?

Also, what do you mean with "green out"? is it possible for you to show another detailed example?

Thanks a lot!
Alan
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TraderMax11 June 2013 05:05
you LAY my friend, if you lay.. you are saying there will NOT be over 1.5 goals. when i get time ill try and do a video during the confederations cup...

thanks for visiting..

oh by green up we mean trade out, you can do this via API programme such as a geekstoy

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Anonymous15 June 2013 13:00
A video would be much appreciated, as indeed your explanations lack clarity... you say you're laying unders, than you say you're laying overs... then you say you try to scalp as little as 2 to 5%, then you post an example with a quite qa big profit (20 something pounds...)
It might be a great system and we would love to help testing it, but please make it crystal clear!...

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TraderMax19 June 2013 09:23
im trying to find where i said lay then back? i only say lay...???

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Anonymous19 June 2013 14:44
Looks like an interesting system, I have a couple of questions though.

Near the end it says

"Our Lay correct score bet lost so

-5.16"

There is no previous mention of this bet and although it is shown as a minus, it is added to the total.

Is the reference to greening up only if the first bet is winning? Or do you green if more than one bet is running? Does the display of profit/loss from Betfair show for all markets at the same time, or is this shown separately for the different markets in play.

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Anonymous19 June 2013 15:04
I thought I was understanding this until I read the comments.

You state there “you LAY my friend, if you lay.. you are saying there will NOT be over 1.5 goals”

If you are saying there will Not be “over” then you are laying ”over”. However, the system says lay the “under”

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Anonymous21 June 2013 13:12
I think the error is you say Lay 'Under; 1.5 goals. Well you mean lay OVER, as if you lay under the liability is always around 6.0, but Laying Over 1.5 goals is around 1.30.

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Anonymous1 July 2013 12:06
Sounds like a good system any1 try it out?

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Anonymous3 July 2013 17:24
Would be more than happy if you could post a video or a more clear post with pictures and better explainings. I got how it worked almost, since its ur system u probably know how the odds are moving and thats my biggest concern so with some pictures or a movie it would be much clearer :) thanks

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Anonymous4 July 2013 02:06
you can lay over or under, thats what tradermax is failing to clarify.

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Anonymous6 July 2013 05:48
There is the risk that more than 8.5 goals are scored. What would be the loss in that case?

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Anonymous10 July 2013 04:49
Our Lay correct score bet lost so

-5.16

What is the correct score bet?!?

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Anonymous27 July 2013 04:30
For the sake of complete clarity, please can you post a video. There is a lot of confusion as to whether you lay 'under' or lay 'over' thanks

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copy and paste tips. good luck to all for the hard work you all put in on here.
sundays racing. 07.09.14 ( proofing day 37 – overall P/L + 10.07 points )

4.40 York. Royal mezyan 8/1 @ bet victor 1/4 odds 3 places 2 point e/w BOG

Very useful – easy winner maiden over the track 5F good/firm ground – under callan beating Bounty girl and Deeds not words 6L and 1 1\2L respectively.
Selection ran race full of promise in June after absence 8 months at York over 6F finished 7th beaten 5 3/4L behind See the sun / BHA 93 under Oisin murphy claiming 3lb LTO again apprentice ridden and again at York this time over 5F never near the leaders 6L off the winner at the line (Online Alexandre ) raced towards rear never being out into the race – stayed in without threatening – well tomorrow it looks all systems go as pro jockey silvestra De Sousa takes the ride aboard the days only selected bet.
Trainers stats at York. 26 winners 113 runners 23.01% 42 placed efforts 37.17%
…….
Jockeys stats at York 21 winners 183 runners 11.48 % 50 placed resulting 27.32%

( total outlay 4 points )
 
formtheory i have not read it so can not say.
in the light of the day why did i post this last night. do not think it will go to well with the staff on here.leave the horse racing to you lot.
 
just playing around with the one week free trial on hrb dont think its any good to me have i done this right for the usa/ southwell system.
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