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Selections in the style of Van Der Wheil

Jackform

Mare
Will this prove anything with regard to the methodology - your guess is as good as mine, but at least I won't be back-fitting or after-timing :D .

Setting the parameters for selection I am taking my guidance from a Raceform Handicap Book booklet issued in 1985 (as I remember it was a freebie that you had to send a stamped addressed envelope for). The four page introduction is signed off by VDW and the remainder a compilation by Tony Peach from previous Forum correspondence:

I quote, “It is perhaps worthwhile at this stage to reiterate and clarify for new readers some of the early signposts on the road to success given by VDW at this juncture.

They were:
1. Narrowing the field.
2. Looking at horses that win a high percentage of races with regard to their Form figures (I will hope to reduce to one race a day by selecting the race with the highest percentage of winning form from the last three placings of the entire field).
3. Studying the first five in the betting forecast of non-handicap races and the first six in handicaps.
4. Using two rating methods (the rating derived from consistency and NOT handicap figures).
5. AND perhaps most important of all combining these points, ‘subject to other considerations’ (to confirm what the figures say it is necessary to study the form of all concerned taking particular note of the class in which they ran, the courses they ran on, the pace and going of the respective races, distances won or beaten by and most important how they performed at the latter stages of each race. At best I shall only consider the last race).

To complete the working platform it is useful to have another measure giving some indication of the various horses chances in the present situation and which will assist in confirming other data. This can be time, handicap ratings, form ratings etc., but always keep in mind that they are a guide. I use two sets of ratings compiled on different lines so that I may judge the reliability of the figures (I will be using RPR and Formcast).”

I quote, “Taken step by step and starting with the principal meeting the agenda is:
1. Select the most valuable race on the card (this is not always satisfactory as at main meetings and festivals most races on the card are worthy of considering).
2. Consider the next most valuable race.
3. Select most valuable race from other cards.
4. Rate entire field for ability (Lifetime prize money from wins divided by number of lifetime wins, but I shall use PatternForm 2year+ to save time but cheating a little really).
5. Select most consistent from the first 5 or 6 in the betting.
6. Apply selected racing method to entire field (this is the method detailed in the Forum letter dated 25 Aug 1979. The three most consistent from the five most recent runs for horses that recorded placings of 1 – 4 in either of their last two outings in the entire field).”
(For some unknown reason using two other ratings for confirmation has been omitted, but I shall include them).

The other main consideration is the staking and though so races would be better by ‘dutching’ I shall make a selection and back it to the VDW staking plan, although as it is risky I will use a maximum theoretical bank of 200 points, say £2,000 at £10 a point (seeing as we are only paper trading).

I quote, “Readers may be interested in the method I have used for over 40 years which basically aims to win one point profit from each bet,”
Headings for the betting book are: Bet no., points staked, result, won, lost, debit, credit.
“Stakes are increased by one point each bet until the debit is reduced to zero. However, note that stakes should not exceed the debit by more than 1 point. A winning bet has one point deducted (profit required). The resultant figure is deducted from the debit column. When the debit is zero subtract loss from win and enter the profit in the credit column.”

There you have it a tour de force with my one-finger typing, now worn down to stumps, and we are ready for the off.
:party: Jack
 
Races considered Doncaster 2.30, 3.00, 4.10, 4.45. Carlisle 5.05. Uttoxeter 3.50. I opetd for the Uttoxeter 3.50 as before Di Kaprio was withdrawn over 60% had winning form. Following the selection procedure the three most consistent were Man Of Leisure, First In The Queue, Social Realism.

Man Of Leisure returns from chasing which didn't go well but is confirmed by RPR, Formcast. Up 9lbs with a 3lb claimer to reduce that. Has beaten First In The Queue. Top on abaility by prize.
First In The Queue 53 days off track and not confirmed by RPR.
Social Realism down 20lbsand up in class and not in irst 3 ability ratings but is confirmed by RPR, Formcast.

Plenty of good vibes for Teak but not for us on consistency and not confirmed by RPR. For myself dutching Man Of Leisure and Social Realism looks viable. Our i point has to go on Man Of Leisure.
 
well in true VDW style,I'd have gone for Dartford Warbler :) :)
Great that you're doing this JF,some practical after a lot of theory is always welcome,no doubt it will attract the pedants,but I'm sure you can fight them off,I for one am proud to admit that I know Jack :drinks:
 
Doncaster 12 Sep
Only second yesterday so a loss of 1 point (£10) and a debit of 2 points.
These races were considered; Doncaster 1.40, 2.10, 2.40, 3.15. Chepstow 2.30. Epsom 4.00. Wolverhampton 6.00.
Initially I checked the 2.40 with 68% winning form but only Coulsty of the 3 possibles was confirmed by RPR and Formcast and it was out of the ability prize ratings, although confirmed on time ability by Stopwatch, Timeform and Patternform. In the end I decided to swerve the race as being too difficult and opt for the 2.10 instead with a 60% form win rate.
Doncaster 2.10
Annecdote – beat WE by ¾ length over 7f ran on well. Top on £ ability. Not confirmed by Formcast
Winning Express – headed as above but kept on well and has a 3lb pull today. 2nd top on £ ability. Confirmed by RPR and Formcast.
Zurgha – 24 of 26 well behind Annecdote but was carrying 9-7. Not rated on £ ability. Confirmed by RPR and Formcast.
Winning Express is the selection to carry the 2 point (£20) bet.
 
Hi Jack

Posted this on another forum

The Trainer has been looking to find a decent race for Winning Express and may have found it today.

Her best Speed figure was in the 1000 Gns over 8f with an uphill finish and her stamina was not going to last out, so a good performance.

Today with the going gd to set should help over the 7f as she will probably grab the lead 1f from home and with Lee in the saddle could just hold on to take this

Filter: G Lee combo, Race Genders (Females), 3yo+

2 wins from 2 runs (100.0%), 9.00 A/E, Profit of £16.00 (800.0%)



VDW said we should find the same horse LOL

Good Luck

Chehsam
 
Don 2:10 1 Maureen 2 Switcher 3 Annecdote
Don 3:15 1 Seal Of Approval 2 Phiz 3 Wadaa
Don 5:00 1 Tha'ir 2 Resurge 3 Black Spirit

2:10 Maureen although she is the most likely winner it isn't as clear cut as her price suggests. She is improving and should cope with the going, track and distance however the worry/doubt is her best form has been shown in France. Her racing style is suited by the French racing and will she get that today? At the prices I'm going with Switcher another improving horse, and the change of stable and thinking may just do the trick. Very small win loaded place

5:00 This has cut up quite badly, but I still have three horses with form in stronger class than this. There is a doubt about Tha'ir as his best form to date has been on stiff courses that can also be said about Black Spirit. However Black Spirit did win this race last year so we know he can act on the course although his best form is on stiff courses. In this race last year he beat Resurge who on my figures has improved whereas BS hasn't. Resurge has shown his best form on speed course although it is fair to say he does seem to prefer undulating speed course. His last two races read PREP as the courses were all wrong, this does puzzle me slightly as he always looked to be a horse that runs well fresh, perhaps with age he needs a little more work or the recent firm ground curtailed his work as he does like soft(er) ground. A straight e/w bet on Resurge.
 
Hi Chesham, good luck with WE. Im on a short break so i will be able to watch the race. My horse today was Pool House but i missed the evens being offered so i left it alone.

Arkle
 
Hi Mtoto

Resurge is knocking on in age and oldest winner in last 10 years was 6 Y-O

Conduct for me in the 5pm, has been difficult to train, William Haggas can do well with these types to get them fit. For a first run this season 10st was a big anchor and today carries 9lb less and only a slight rise in class. Has plenty of stamina, was going to be aimed at the Doncaster November Handicap as a 3 Y-O and last year when Trained by Sir Michael Stoute was favourite over this C&D denied 1st place by a head

Looks like Doncaster is a course they have aimed at for Conduct

Good Luck

Chehsam
 
Chesham,

Conduct was well down my list of likely winners for that race, in fact from my point of view his form was not strong enough. Agreed he was consistent and in the forecast failed on all the other factors, I couldn't make him a probable. Not that would stop him being a selection by itself but add in the lack of class in a true run race and that makes it more than a little difficult to be a selection. Of my top three ratings Tha'ir was the strongest of the three with proven form and the third best probable It was the course that put me off.

Resurge is knocking on in age and oldest winner in last 10 years was 6 Y-O

Agreed and I did notice that but now many horses older than six had run in that race in previous season? Not many I think, but to be honest it isn't some thing I look at. The figure said to me he had improved and had put in his best performance this season so for me it doesn't matter how old he is. I was a little concerned about the course though.

If I have this right and you say you are Class-form from the RFU, I must thank you. Many years ago late 90's I read a couple of your contributions/posts on that form page. Strange as it may seem as we appear to disagree about a few things on here it was you that helped convince me I was on the right track with my understanding of VDW!! From memory the horse in question was Russian Music. So after all these years thank you.

Be Lucky
 
Hi all!

Well done today Mtoto with Switcher!

I had read about someone called Classform on one of the V.D.W threads, do you still have copies on file Chesham?

It would be interesting to see them!

I'm liking the look of Times up tomorrow, any opinions?
 
Hi Mtoto

I thought the two races were quite hard today and the winner of the 2.10, you would have to go to the back form of that horse to give any sort of clue. in the 5:00 Conduct, I knew that he was going to get well and truly stuffed when his price Disparity was 1.9 near to the start of the race, the pace was his undoing and looking at the Pace Chart afterwards I could see that was a mistake on my part. Still I gave it my best shot in a race where I thought nothing was clear cut.

With regards to Resurge I just find that older horses can be unreliable, last year raced in the same race off a lower OR and today was on 97 the highest he had won off in 2011. It is rare for a horse that age to come up with a previous career best or to better it. With regards to the Course the main class wins were on a different type of course and can see your concern in that area when trying to weigh up the race.

With regards to your Ability Rating, it makes sense to me and although I don't personally use that rating, I can see why you use it to define a short list of runners who have the proven class or have displayed on the race track potential class to win the races that you are analysing.

The Class Form articles was my response to the 'Close Encounters ' by Philip Close which I thought was a load of rubbish.

Anyway of out us three o old VDW'ers today, you came out best with your Loaded Place Bet on Switcher so once again well done a profit made and you can't ask better than that.

Good Luck

Chesham
 
I was hoping someone else would have put something up as my posting is a bit of a waste of time, another no bet VDW posting!!

I only look at/work races with more than seven runners as the place part of the bet is the important bit for me. I worked two races for yesterday one was cut to seven last night but the other still pays to the third place.

Don 2:40 1 High Jinx 2 Times Up 3 Chiberta King

Times up, a previous winner of this race best figures come in a lower class than High Jinx's, but he still has stronger figures in this class. As VDW said the ability rating is only a guide so common sense overrules the figures and makes Times up the better horse of the two. Add in the race fitness and he would be the selection BUT for me it is a no bet race I wouldn't take the price being offered. The only other possible, the strongest probable Chiberta King doesn't look suited by the course.

Be Lucky
 
I was hoping someone else would have put something up as my posting is a bit of a waste of time, another no bet VDW posting!!

I only look at/work races with more than seven runners as the place part of the bet is the important bit for me. I worked two races for yesterday one was cut to seven last night but the other still pays to the third place.

Don 2:40 1 High Jinx 2 Times Up 3 Chiberta King

Times up, a previous winner of this race best figures come in a lower class than High Jinx's, but he still has stronger figures in this class. As VDW said the ability rating is only a guide so common sense overrules the figures and makes Times up the better horse of the two. Add in the race fitness and he would be the selection BUT for me it is a no bet race I wouldn't take the price being offered. The only other possible, the strongest probable Chiberta King doesn't look suited by the course.

Be Lucky


Hi Mtoto

I think that High Jinx will prevail in this years renewal, the ground has come right, was progressive last year and had trouble in running in this race last year. Note as carrying his head awkward in his only run this year and which is why I suspect that the Tongue Strap has been applied today.

James Fanshaw does not apply this piece of equipment that often and when he does with the better class horses in his care, has a profitable A/E

So for me it is High Jinx in this race

Good Luck

Chesham
 
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Another day, another dollar - hopefully. I see somebody has kindly provided me with a face, age before beauty. It's Albert innit, so could be meant as a compliment?
Could I just comment that I am glad that Hayley Turner was not badly injured by her fall yesterday and trust that she recovers quickly. It takes the gloss off racing when horses or riders are injured.
The selection lost again yesterday so minus 3 points (£30), debit 5 points, bank 197 points.
3 points (£30) going on today's choice.

I checked out all the Doncaster card, Goodwood 3.05, Bangor 4.00, Wolves I didn't bother. The Doncaster 5.00 and Goodwood 3.05 had winning form of 60% in the field. I tried the 5.00 first having the higher prize money and came up with Stellar Express, Muharrer, Amralah plus Zain Eagle, Morroco on the 2nd rating, but other filters such as the class by prize didn't gel at all so gave up in the end (personally I favour Stellar Express, Zain Eagle, Las Verglas but that's by-the-by in this context). Any way I think the going may be shot there so probably best swerved.

Goodwood 3.05
Magic Of Reality - up 6lbs, ridden no impression. Class £3rd, Confirmed RPR/Formcast
Breden - same weight, went 2nd to 4th stayed on same pace. Class £top, Confirmed RPR/Formcast.
Ostaad - down 2lbs, pushed driven all out won AW. Not class £. Not confirmed.
Second rating method:
Yourartisonfire - up 14lbs, no impression. Not class £. Not confirmed.
Monsieur Rieussec - dropped 5lbs, effort weakened. Class £2nd. Not confirmed Formcast.
(personally I favour Russian Realm, Breden, Magic Of Reality, Bartack but not on this thread)

The selection for the 3 points (£30) is Breden just on being top £class as last outing was not a good run.
 
Hi Gents
I have an small interest in Times up, only because of the company he finished behind last time out and winning the race last year.
Luck to you all.
Downey
 
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